Global Minotaurus and Quest for Perseus
And what do you think about modern day Russia? Is Putin a popular leader in Greece now? What is the attitude of Greeks towards Russians?
There are historic ties between Greece and Russia, which go back centuries. The Modern Greek national project was a project of believers who’d fought against the crusaders, who had said that they wanted to bring Christ to the Middle East but, along the way, crushed Constantinople for the first time in 1204 and then fought against the Ottomans. Russia, for both spiritual and geopolitical reasons, was a source of great hope for the Greeks throughout the whole Ottoman period. Then, when they had enlightened friends and the revolution, this was the second source of inspiration for Greece, there were two sources of inspiration and they continued to be.
The military forces of the Russian Empire stood at the gates of Constantinople several times and they were ready to take and liberate it and give it back to Greece, but the British and European powers always intervened in order to save the Ottomans.
You know that in Greek history, the relationship between them was a little bit strange too. We have very good intentions but sometimes the powers in both Athens and Moscow were not ready to do what was needed to create and sustain this kind of alliance. However, there is a huge capital of sympathy, which is not just psychological; it is of course cultural, but it has a very fundamental objective basis. This is the following: Greeks are, by the nature of their national project, maybe the only country in Europe which didn’t have colonies; it was a project of the Byzantine Empire and it was also an anti-imperialist project to save Greece from Western forces, which were supposed to be our allies but sometimes were our enemies. In this way we feel that Russia is very important as the center of the counterweight to this monopoly of planetary power which would make Hitler or Stalin look like children. This is the role that Russia is supposed to play, even if it doesn’t want to.
Russia is Katehon in the modern world, consciously or unconsciously, because Russia plays this role, preventing the New World Order from coming.
It is the same thing with Syriza; they are playing a role in the imagination of all European citizens, which they hadn’t planned or prepared to do, and I believe Russia, by the force of these things and probably due to people who are conscious of the necessity, is being called upon to play an extremely important role in human civilization.
I absolutely agree with you; you know this concept that Moscow is the Third Rome. So we believe that we are Katehon, protector of the faith, and we hope that this spiritual revival of Russia in the last 25-30 years will also happen in other parts of the former Byzantine Empire. In the last thirty years we have built 30 thousand new churches, 700 new monasteries, and this is unprecedented after the period of iconoclasm; this revival in Russia is a good example of hope also. I've heard there are some proposals in Greece and in Russia that Constantinople, or Istanbul, will be Christian again. What is the feeling of the Greek people; do they still feel pain for their former capital?
First of all, the Greeks suffered a huge defeat in 1922: half of the Greek nation was somehow destroyed, killed or forced to emigrate to what is modern Greece. I think this was the end of any serious idea of reconciling those lands. By the way, there is a different enemy now, which is much more threatening than what Turkey could ever do to us: the dominating forces of international finance and the German leaders.
I've asked my Serbian friends what the reasons were that their country was dominated by Turkey for 150 years. Did you know that during Kosovo battle, the choice was given to the Serbian king: either you choose the kingdom of heaven and in this case, you will all die and your country will be destroyed - there will be a dependent state for many centuries but you will have many saints and you will be great in the eyes of God; or choose this materialistic world - people will be alive but you will not be so good for the Lord, you will not have this treasury in heaven; the Serbs preferred to die and to be in heaven. Those Serbian friends told me that despite the fact that 'turkocracy' was bad, the good aspect of it was that they were religiously tolerant, so they didn’t persecute the church and they protected Serbia from the bad influences of the West: from revolution and liberalism. We know that until now, Serbs are maybe the main allies of Russia and they are very patriotic and like Russia. This is like a miracle, because if we take Bulgaria, they are not so strongly pro-Russian. So do you think that Turkish dominance over Greece also had some positive effects or only negative ones?
I personally cannot think of any kind of positive effects.
But why, if God rules the world? Why did it happen to the Greeks?
This is not a question you can ask me.
Why not? You are a thinker and an intellectual.
Listen – why did you have Mongol rule for 200 years? I don’t ever ask God about what happens to humans. What is more interesting is for us to try to dominate our own history, because we are living in a pre-historic and a barbarous world. You know Samuel Huntington has proposed this idea of civilizations; I would propose to unite all faiths and all people against the barbarism of financial totalitarianism. You see what happened, for instance, in the Arab world: we had classical imperialism where the imperial powers wanted to conquer countries; now we have a new form of imperialism. They are destroying the most important Arab countries: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt; half of them are literally destroyed, so this is a world where we are hiding and we must stop this degeneration of humankind.
So what do you think of the future of the Islamic factor? The Halifat, as they call it, is it expanding and what is the danger of radical Islamism spreading to Europe? For example, in Greece, are there many mosques and Muslims or not?
There are not so many mosques; there are many Muslims because of immigrants who are coming. This is quite normal, because western countries destroy their countries; I am wondering why people are still living in Libya or Syria; not all of them try to come to Europe. I think there is, of course, a problem with radical Islamism and extremism, but you should remember that this is fundamentally the result of western colonial and imperialist policy in the Middle East. They have tried to concur with [the standards of] national sovereignty; they have made use of nationalistic movements, socialist movements, communist movements and the western powers have intervened in a massive way for two hundred years. Somehow, me, I think the shift toward some form of Islamism is a kind of desperation; of whole communities which cannot find a modern-day system to defend their ways looking to their past to find their identities. By the way, who has systematically [backed] Islamism? In 1925, the British helped the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt; they even imposed laws in Egypt against the girls going to school. They've helped in the creation of Hamas; we have a lot of documents that ISIS was helped massively by Western [intelligence] services; then they tell us those terrible Islamists - we have to have a war against them. I think the Islamic danger is overplayed and it is used in order to disorient Western public opinion. Of course, it is bad when you see Islamic people cutting heads off their opponents; it is very dramatic to see it on television, but I didn’t hear [news] about situations where their warplanes were bombing buildings full of people in Gaza, and there we just liked looking at a good spectacle. Are we a civilization, while others are not? What is this?
Yes, there is a lot of hypocrisy in this world, obviously.
When France, which is no longer France, organized the intervention in Libya, they destroyed a whole country! Now what are they speaking about? They created Libya as a terrorist base and they are using it.
Do you feel that the world is approaching a possible World War Three or not?
I think there is a danger; first of all, I think that we are in World War Three but we don’t understand it. Some regions of the world are experiencing it, for example, the Middle East or Donetsk – they are at war. Greece is in a financial war and it is obvious. The danger is that we have a Western leadership which has been educated by the foe of the Soviet Union, that Russia is too weak – they can’t do anything. They’ve misinterpreted what happened in the Soviet Union; of course it was a collapse but it was not only a collapse, it was also a suicide. It was not only a suicide, it was a decision of the leaders to change sides. This is completely different from a situation where you just say I can’t do anything. It was not an economic problem which precipitated the collapse. I’m not saying that there were not huge problems in the USSR, but all counties experience them; Cuba, for example, it still survived because it wanted to. The Soviet Union didn’t want to survive, but the West has misinterpreted this as a kind of weakness and the result is that they can make bad judgments about the results of their actions. Also, at least after the Cuban missile crisis there were more or less rules to the game; they were not always respected but they were at least respected by America and the Soviet Union. Now there are no rules to the game. Ukraine is neither in the Russian sphere of influence nor in the Western sphere of influence. It is a green zone where you can do things that normally are not permitted by nuclear superpowers.
And the Greek people and elites: on which side of this ‘World War Three’ might they be? Because on one hand, you are part of NATO, you’re part of the European Union and all this European heritage; on the other hand, you’re part of the Orthodox world, ex-Byzantine Empire and you like many aspects of current Russian policy. So can Greece be torn between those two alternatives if there is, God forbid, a serious war? What do you will predict? Will there be some split within Greece?
There is a huge split between the population and the elites. The elites, who act in their own interest, seek to be part of the Western world in every possible way. The people are more negative [towards the West]; by the way, you know Greek elites are so obedient that they cannot even introduce some kind of affordable situation, so they compel people to resort to revolutionary solutions, which are the most painful and difficult.
And how strong is the role of Masons and other secret societies among the Greek elite?
I’m not a specialist, but they are very powerful.
Have you run into cases in your life where you knew that political decisions or some other decisions were being taken because of their influence?
It is the natural tendency of the small minorities which control wealth and power to do everything possible to dominate all spheres of human life and political societies are not an exception. They try to do it and sometimes they try to do it through these institutions. It’s normal to do this.
And Mount Athos it is a special place for all Orthodox believers. How strong is the influence of Mount Athos in modern day Greece? We have heard about this entire clash against the monastery; you know that there was a lot of pressure. What is the position of the Greek people on this?
Listen; the Greek people are also little bit confused because there were also corruption and scandal accusations related to that, but I think the Greek people support all politicians or public figures who want good relations with Russia. That is a physical phenomenon; you know maybe 95 percent of Greeks are for good relations with Russia on instinct, even before think they believe that this is good for Greece. Whoever seems to support such a policy is becoming more or less popular inside Greece; the problem is that we have to…. politicians in Greece and in other countries in Europe are nowadays making policies more to be seen rather than to create real results. They are very much afraid of defying the United States on the question of Greece’s relationship with Russia.
In conclusion to our talk, if we summarize, what is your recommendation for Greece going forward. First to gain financial independence and sovereignty, then to become friendly with Russia, and be against the dominance of those elites?
Greece has to take a stand; to defend its rights against the troika of creditors, and it has to struggle. I would prefer for my country not to wage such a war, but if you are not prepared for war it can be worse. You know that Churchill said in 1938, when criticizing the Munich agreement, that they were faced with a dilemma: either capitulation or war, and he said, “they have chosen capitulation, they will have war”. So it is a little bit similar. We are in a terrible situation. For a solution, financial and political war is the last resort, but this program of destruction must be stopped at any cost. However, if you do this, you have to do it; you have to be prepared; you have to say to your people what are you doing; you have to create serious alliances, and this is not only a problem for the Greeks; it’s a problem all over the world. If Greece is forced to capitulate or if it is destroyed, the results will be terrible for all Europe and for Russia as well. Because Greece plays an extremely important strategic role in the Eastern Mediterranean; it controls Russia’s access to warm seas and the accesses of Germany and France to the Middle East. We are the center. If Greece loses as nation state with relatively independent sovereignty, this will be a huge victory for the isolation of Russia and for the preparation of the war against it. Always when we have attacks against Greece in history, the attackers also decide to attack either Russia or the Islamic East. We are the last point. Hitler lost three precious months and probably the war because he was too late when he came near Moscow, because for him it was just absolutely necessarily to crush Greece and dominate the Balkans before attacking Russia. The geopolitical question hasn’t changed and the geography is not changing.
And the last question: should Greece exit the EU and euro or not?
This is not a decision which may be made beforehand; the real problem facing us is that we must stop the economic catastrophe, deny and refuse the existing agreements which are neocolonial agreements, and demand change and reconquer our national sovereignty. I don’t know if it would be good for Greece to leave the EU or Eurozone but I know it is inside the club. Before deciding to leave, it has to use all the weapons which it has, because of its capacity; because you know, the EU is a half-democratic, half totalitarian star chamber. Members have, for instance, a right to veto many decisions.
So do you think Greek will Veto the prolongation of sanctions against Russia?
Let God give them courage! For this we need to permanently and passionately organize a serious strategic dialog between Russia and Greece. After now, we have a lot of feelings from both sides, but unfortunately we don’t have a serious strategic dialog.
So I think we had a very intense discussion. So thank you very much for speaking to us today. I hope that we will continue our conversations in the future.